Did You Know…? #13 – Twelve Doctors, but Fourteen Incarnations?

NOTE : Please read the pinned comment before commenting about why some “incarnations” (The Curator/The Valeyard/Meta-Crisis etc) are missing from this list, I have posted my reason why they haven’t been included!

So as a little change, appropriate for my Thirteenth Did You Know, I thought I’d discuss my thoughts on an oft discussed point!

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24 thoughts on “Did You Know…? #13 – Twelve Doctors, but Fourteen Incarnations?

  1. CaptainJimiPie September 13, 2017 at 1:33 pm

    Just to clarify a couple of things I know will be raised by some people in the comments regarding other "incarnations", here are my thoughts on the following :

    The Valeyard – The Valeyard is a separate entity (an amalgamation of the darker sides of The Doctor's nature) and as such most likely not a future incarnation. Indeed during the initial character outline, the idea of him being a future incarnation was taken out as the producer of the time John Nathan Turner did not want the show overshadowed by the fact that The Doctor would become evil in future. Therefore it is logical to assume he is not a future incarnation.

    The Curator – Whilst it has been established in the comic The Then And The Now, that The Curator is indeed a future incarnation of The Doctor, and that is something I believe myself, there is nothing to suggest he will be an immediate future incarnation and it could be a long time before we see The Doctor become him (if we ever see it at all) and as such I have not included him in this theory, as it is not stated exactly which future incarnation he is

    The Meta-Crisis Tenth Doctor – Whilst he does possess elements of The Tenth Doctors personality along with a copy of his body he is (by his own admission) "human" singular heart, one life, he will never regenerate, just grow old. He is therefore not a true Doctor, and whilst on that subject there is also nothing to suggest he will become The Valeyard, which is a theory I know alot of people like to believe but again within the narrative context of the show and it's expanded media there is nothing that links The Valeyard and The Meta-Crisis Doctor together.

    The Morbius "Doctors" – There is nothing in the Brain Of Morbius which outrightly confirms that the other incarnations seen are indeed other incarnation of The Doctor, within the narrative of the show it is most logical to assume they are in fact Morbius's incarnations…however I do have my own theory on them which I will be discussing in a future fan theories video!

    The Watcher – The Watcher seen in Logopolis was not, contrary to what many people think, a separate incarnation, he was something of a temporal anomaly, existing between the Fourth & Fifth incarnations which makes him simultaneously both and neither at the same time

    Peter Cushing/Shalka/Unbound/Other Alternate Doctors – These haven't been included simply because whilst some fans may consider them canon, OFFICIALLY none of them are canon Doctors, as such they do not have a place within the official narrative and numbering of The Doctor's in the show.

    As I say in the video I appreciate that some people may differ on some of these viewpoints or believe that other non-canon Doctor's such as The Shalka Doctor or Peter Cushing's Dr. Who are canon but this comment along with the contents of this video are simply my own viewpoints and I ask people to please respect that.

  2. RedBird138 September 13, 2017 at 1:33 pm

    Interesting, personally I use the term "incarnation" to describe a "face"
    So I always describe it as:
    12 Doctors
    13 Incarnations
    13 Regenerations
    But I guess your way is easier to explain lol

  3. Stephen Pablo is a beautiful guy Dean September 13, 2017 at 1:33 pm

    You mention the meta crisis Doctor in your comments but not in the video and in that way you're doing exactly what Steven Moffat has done which is to count that as a full regeneration which it ISN'T! So I don't agree with some of your points of logic or the ideas on regeneration and when I upload my own video about the new Doctor being a woman and Jodie Whittaker you'll understand especially if you subscribe to my channel

  4. Sir Channing My Name is Jeff Tatum September 13, 2017 at 1:33 pm

    The meta-crisis Doctor shouldn't count. He doesn't even fully regenerate, and he uses a lot more excess regeneration in the Matt Smith era (series 6), so why shouldn't that count, if the meta-crisis does?

  5. Charles Bice-Bey September 13, 2017 at 1:33 pm

    What about Peter Cushing…?

  6. Simon Lane September 13, 2017 at 1:33 pm

    I'm pretty sure it is istablished that time lords can regenerate / change appearance at will in the key to time stories as Ramana goes through a few appearances before she picks the appearance that she chooses, so it could be possible that the Dr could have also done this at some point to to avoid certain enemies

  7. peter soto September 13, 2017 at 1:33 pm

    I've seen several of your casts/shows and want to thank you for the explanation of the incarnations, faces, and Doctors.

  8. Otto Taylor September 13, 2017 at 1:33 pm

    But wait, the 10th doctor used his regeneration to heal his wounds and then siphoned the rest of into his hand which then grew into a copy of the 10th doctor. So surely that leaves us at 14 regenerations, 15 incarnations, 13 faces and 12 Doctors. But then what the hell is Donna?!?!

  9. David Briggs September 13, 2017 at 1:33 pm

    Just one question. Do you count two different actors playing the same character (such as William Hartnell and David Bradley/Brady both portraying the First Doctor) as one face, or two faces?

  10. sebradfield September 13, 2017 at 1:33 pm

    Nice video, and I like the comments as well as your responses. On the other hand I find the separation of Doctors, Faces and Incarnations to be a little over-the-top. I just think of them as 14 Doctors (or 'Generations' if you like, as portrayed by 12 Actors. Much simpler to keep them straight that way.

    But then I'm old, and I've been watching Doctor Who since I first discovered him on US Public Television in 1984.

  11. 90 Lancaster September 13, 2017 at 1:33 pm

    Again sorry for chipping in in things I do not know in great detail…

    But wasn't the Tenant Doctor's regeneration stopped ? by virtue of it's energy being redirected into his severed hand he got a pick me up but the regeneration was the non-Timelord Psuedo-Doctor he just stopped dying (so to speak) – if that is an incarnation it's not him it's his clone. (I won't get into if Donna counts let alone his 'Daughter'- lol) Though that is one of those Wolverine/X-23 like questions as to if she is technically his sex-swapped clone or his daughter.

    Oh and we now have more god-like females running around doing awesome stuff – who never get mentioned again that I care to imagine. enough to make one hell of a Xmas special out of – that wouldn't even require a Doctor at all being in it (technically speaking).

  12. KamidakeRed September 13, 2017 at 1:33 pm

    Even if the 10 regenerated and remained the same I don't count him as the 10th and 11th Doctor. It easier to simply say there are 13. Change the order a bit meaning the War Doctor is the 9th, Christopher Ecclestonis the 10th and so on from there the 11th David Tennant is still the 11th so Matt Smith is the 12th and Peter Capaldi is the 13th

  13. Charlie Gatty September 13, 2017 at 1:33 pm

    What about when river song was in the astronaut suit, the first time she shot him and hit him he started to regenerate but he got shot mid "cycle"

  14. Remus Rogers September 13, 2017 at 1:33 pm

    i agree too

  15. Lenin Man 6651 September 13, 2017 at 1:33 pm

    There Have ben 14 Doctors The War Doctor is The Ninth Doctor

  16. tgbotg September 13, 2017 at 1:33 pm

    Can you do a fan theory video on why the Doctor began regenerating in "The Impossible Astronaut" even though he had no more regenerations left? Obvious the reason is they weren't counting on a War Doctor, but perhaps a creative theorist can explain this?

  17. PandaInAction ♐ September 13, 2017 at 1:33 pm

    The only regen I think could be debated is the 2nd doctor as the timelords may have grabted him a new face but also given him another regeneration.

  18. W Dawson September 13, 2017 at 1:33 pm

    How about The Watcher, The Valeyard and The Curator?

  19. Eye of Horus September 13, 2017 at 1:33 pm

    If you listen to big finish then you find out that: while The war Doctor did not call himself the doctor during the time war, everyone else did. So as far as the universe is conserned, he is a doctor

  20. CoalDiamond- TheMagicRogue September 13, 2017 at 1:33 pm

    will you be talking about the leekley Bible in this series?

  21. Joe Renfrow September 13, 2017 at 1:33 pm

    I wonder if the Doctor's daughter returned to Gallifrey to fight in the Time War or if she is out there gallivanting across Time/Space.  Is the a true Time Lady, since she regenerated, or just a clone of sorts?

  22. Oddit T September 13, 2017 at 1:33 pm

    Do you have a Bad Wolf theory?

  23. Luis Hernandez September 13, 2017 at 1:33 pm

    Thank you for this video since I keep confusing myself of how many bodies/incarnation does the Doctor have. Keep up the good work and we'll see how the Doctor will do in his future incarnation.

  24. Edwin Hughes September 13, 2017 at 1:33 pm

    Per River Song the Doctor lies.So what Matt Smith's said can't be taken at face value.

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